@vgr Neo hippy pastoral fantasy. Hobby farm in a forgiving climate, close to the sea.

@vgr just trying to build some post industrial tech over here. we have a long long way to go. many local minima to stumble through, and they'll all feel like "the end" but keep your head high- humanity has a lot of good to do with tech to come.

@vgr somebody, maybe Douglas Adams? said that anything invented after you turn 35 seems like an offense to the natural order.

So maybe life after tech means life after you get old enough that you stop adopting new tech, and just refuse to learn the newest things, and get set in your ways.

On the flip side, "life after tech" could mean the part of a technology's lifecycle after it's been fully integrated into culture and nobody thinks of it as "tech" anymore: refrigeration, airplanes, radio.

@vgr "Life after tech" could also mean life after civilizational collapse due to climate change. My friend was writing an SF novel trying to realistically extrapolate a +14C world thousands of years from now, when only the arctic/antartic are human-habitable.

He told me his history research led him to believe that "loss of technology during dark ages" is largely a myth: very few technologies have ever been truly forgotten. People in his world would still be able to make guns and steam engines

@vgr a final thing "life after tech" could mean is: the life of a programmer after retiring from silicon valley and the "tech" industry. I visited Google once and it looked like Logan's Run: like all the people over 35 had been ceremonially liquidated.

It made me wonder, where do old programmers go? When we've got decades of experience and need a job with work/life balance. There must be tons of us, no longer visible to cool "tech" culture, applying our skills quietly to various industries

@nindokag @vgr
What gets lost isn't the technology, it's the logistics and coordination capability for large scale application.

@machado @vgr yeah i'm not totally convinced his theory about technology (non)-loss is correct. He made a good point that technology kept improving during the period we call the "dark ages" in Europe, but my counterargument is that plows, stirrups, etc. are technology that a single person can understand how to make. I'm not sure that extrapolates to modern technology when no single person knows how to make, say, an Intel chip, and even if they did they'd need a precision manufacturing chain

@nindokag @vgr That's kinda the point. Now we can store more stuff in written media instead of relying on living memory and oral tradition, but we can't apply the knowledge without large numbers of people cooperating to maintain the entire system that enables it.

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